Sunday, April 15, 2007

Do pleasure and pain always accompany one another, or can they be experienced separately?, I wonder.

8 Comments:

Blogger Tseka said...

I wonder if there are answers to such questions.

For myself i lean toward this; if one surrenders to the fullness of experience then both, all, enters. To live with filters to disallow one experience would be limiting all all.

I'm willing to risk it.

I want to know it all....feel deeply...loves, loses.

One thing tho, it seems if one opens to the great experience of loving deeply, hate seems lacking in the mix...or at least i never found it...so perhaps there is a weight toward one side if we choose.

15/4/07 8:17 PM  
Blogger jm said...

I think both are always present. Maybe it's what we draw upon or pay most attention to; so that would be the weighted side we choose.

I've been working for a long time on the chemical mix. It's not the aversion to pain exactly, but the freedom to experience pleasure without fear or witholding. Society elevates pain, so it's ingrained from the beginning. The continuous punishment.

It made sense for most of my life with all the interpersonal fouls and accusations, but now I'm wondering why be punished? I'm not really doing anything to anyone. I dawned on me that I might be clinging to hurts that are no longer useful.
It's become almost impossible to blame anyone anymore, but that should include myself.

I do realize, though, that the edge of pain adds to the fullness of pleasure, so it must be a unique mix with each experience. The release of pain is probably the most ecstatic sensation we have. I think death is like that.

15/4/07 8:55 PM  
Blogger jm said...

A very interesting development. Since Pluto began the retrograde, a tremendous amount has happened in my life, and in the last week I've become extremely sensitive to smells. It's almost like a psychedelic trip. I have a good sense of smell, since it's connected to hearing, and I'm wondering if my survival skills are being honed now with the marked increase in sensitivity. I've noticed that I've been making some decisions based on this, which is probably wise.

15/4/07 9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smells, hm! T'is a little Taurean NN?

15/4/07 10:51 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Chrispito!!! You made it to jazzrap!

I'm getting there, to that Taurus spot. The world of the senses. That's for me.

15/4/07 11:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I'm here! (I like here).
I don't think pain and pleasure are experienced together, and I don't believe we experience one more than the other.
I believe that I feel more pain at certain times than other, pleasurable ones. Different brain filing systems or something like that.

I agree with you, Tseka, that when we truly love, hate seems to dissolve. I don't want to hate anyone or anything ever again.

17/4/07 7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jm, I agree that society elevates pain. Like one mustn't get too comfortable or happy lest you go around thinking that life is OKAY or something crazy like that...

17/4/07 7:52 PM  
Blogger jm said...

Exactly.

The love of pain astounds me in society. Constant flagellation.

18/4/07 10:35 PM  

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